In a conversation between Gail Collins and Bret Stephens, they discuss the recent conviction of Donald Trump on 34 felony charges. Stephens, who loathes Trump, believes that the conviction, which was based on a dubious case, may actually improve Trump’s chances of winning in November. Collins agrees that the trial may not have a significant impact on the political divide in the country, but argues that it may sway some of the less-committed Trump supporters and tarnish his image as a winner.
They also discuss the suggestion that Justice Samuel Alito and Justice Clarence Thomas should recuse themselves from Jan. 6 cases. Stephens is more sympathetic to Alito, while Collins agrees with the idea that judges should not advertise their opinions. They criticize the focus on non-scandals like Alito’s flag and suggest that liberals should save their political ammunition for more significant issues.
The conversation then shifts to the upcoming trial of Hunter Biden, in which he faces charges related to drug use and financial debt. Stephens questions Biden’s involvement in his son’s business dealings and the appearance of influence peddling. Despite this, both agree that they want Joe Biden to win in November and discuss possible campaign slogans for him, such as owning up to his weaknesses and repackaging them as strengths.
They also touch on the declaration of independence by Senator Joe Manchin and the potential impact of independent candidates in presidential elections. They both express a desire for a more moderate political landscape and discuss the potential consequences of independent candidates on election outcomes. Finally, they conclude with a discussion of a moving piece in The Times about a family’s emotional journey with their pets and the importance of the human-animal bond. Stephens suggests a quote from a pet as a closing remark.
